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04 May 2015 @ 12:21 pm
Discussion Post: AGE OF ULTRON  
In celebration of het-reccers's MARVEL(ous) MONTH OF MAY, pop down into the comments of this post to discuss, flail, and otherwise react to the Hulkbusting blockbuster that is The Avengers: Age of Ultron!


A few, well, let's not call them rules. Let's call them Guidelines for Harmonious Living:

  1. The comments on this post are not spoiler-free, which is to say: if you haven't seen the movie and don't want to know about the scene where [redacted] or whether [redacted] [redacted], don't look down—just pop back after you've seen it. If you have seen the movie, feel free to talk about whatever scenes and plot twists you like!

  2. Discussion topics not related to het ships are welcome, as are discussion topics related to het ships. If you have thoughts about killer robots, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. tie-ins, or the criminal lack of Black Widow merchandise, comment away! Comic-book canon topics are also welcome, if anyone's feeling pumped about Secret Wars or just wants to dig further into the origins of the onscreen characters.

  3. Play nice. Whether this movie was the best or worst thing you've ever seen, not everyone's going to agree; one fan's favorite ship is another fan's NOTP. And that's fine. But keep the tone and the language respectful—if you join this discussion, it means you're recognizing everyone else's right to their own opinions and feels. We mean it.

  4. HAVE FUN—and remember to post your Marvel recs!

 
 
 
blithersblithers on May 4th, 2015 04:59 pm (UTC)
DAREDEVIL
SOMEBODY PLEASE COME TALK TO ME ABOUT DAREDEVIL. I watched the season finale last night and I'm having a LOT OF FEELINGS about one Matt Murdock and his city and the few people in his life. There's a sort of claustrophobic, desperate closeness to how focused in the series is on this one small corner of the world and this one man who fights because he has something boiling up inside of him and how few people he lets get close to him.

I keep going back and forth on how old Matt is - when Fisk called Matt "young man" in episode 6 (I think - the one where they talk on the phone for the first time), it reset my understanding of the character. For some reason, I'd slotted Matt Murdock as early-30s-ish without really thinking about it much (based on him Being A Lawyer and the age the actor looks), but god, he's probably only in his mid to late 20s. He's 26, maybe?

But he's fresh out of law school - fresh out of school for the first time in his life. He's frustrated and angry and is doing this thing where he puts on a mask and goes out and uses some of the most basic skills in his toolbox, embedded in him as a child - violence and the ability to take a beating. The show keeps describing him as a guy who gets a lot of play, but what, he slept with chicks in college? Maybe a woman or two at the law firm he interned at, or picked up in a bar? He's YOUNG.

I'm definitely shipping Claire and Matt. Started reading fic and it's so good. Will post recs sometime soon, hopefully. I'm also feeling the Foggy and Matt, and the Matt&Foggy&Karen dynamic (I want more law/detective work/working cases in season two, c'mon show, give me that!).
Katherine Joy Summersstars_inthe_sky on May 4th, 2015 05:07 pm (UTC)
Re: DAREDEVIL
Daredevil was REALLY interesting. It's not the kind of show I normally watch—dark and gritty and kind of pessimistic—but I stuck with it because Marvel. And it paid off! It's still not exactly my jam, but it was very good, and it did a lot of interesting things that the MCU hasn't done elsewhere (presumably due to prime-time network TV and PG-13 ratings restrictions, as well as being able to get a little more niche and daring on this alternate platform). I've been describing it as Marvel's answer to the Dark Knight trilogy, and I still think that's kind of accurate.

As for Matt...by the end of the season, I almost started to wonder if the whole thing about his getting all these girls was as much of an act as his cane and arm-holding in public. He definitely has a few good lines/moves (the face-touching and the sound-of-your-voice thing), but he hardly seems interested in using them that effectively.

GIVE ME FIC RECS! mutantwanda on tumblr has been posting a ton of ot3 stuff, but I'd really like to see some Claire/Matt. And Foggy/Karen, actually, I thought they had a great one-on-one dynamic and alternately grounded and uplifted each other really nicely. I saw a rec for one recently where Matt and Skye are at the same orphanage—St. Agnes, which I believe is canonical now—haven't had a chance to read that yet, but I always dig a crossover.
Re: DAREDEVIL - endeni on May 4th, 2015 09:05 pm (UTC) (Expand)
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endeni on May 4th, 2015 09:00 pm (UTC)
Re: DAREDEVIL
/I want more law/detective work/working cases in season two, c'mon show, give me that!/ - Me too! And I love your description of Matt, you're right he *is* young. The Matt&Foggy&Karen dynamic was great. Though I came back from the series with a burning love for Fisk/Vanessa (and/or Weasley/Fisk/Vanessa).
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Anastasianotoriousreign on May 4th, 2015 05:09 pm (UTC)
I enjoyed the movie. There was some stuff I didn't care for but it wasn't as terrible as everyone I follow likes to pretend lol.

Would Vision/Wanda count as a het rec now?? Tbh in a weird way I kinda still liked Steve/Natasha after that movie lol.

Edited at 2015-05-04 05:09 pm (UTC)
Katherine Joy Summersstars_inthe_sky on May 4th, 2015 05:12 pm (UTC)
Wanda/Vision would be fine! He's identified/coded as male, even if he's not human, and certainly he's treated as such in the comics. And we've already got recs with TSCC's Cameron Phillips, too, by the same logic.

And, oh, fandom. It'll make you love everything you love more and hate everything you hate more and leave you confused about which feelings are actually your own.
blithersblithers on May 5th, 2015 01:49 am (UTC)
Tbh in a weird way I kinda still liked Steve/Natasha after that movie lol.

I totally get this - I thought that the relationship between Steve and Natasha was handled great in this movie - especially the end bit where they take on training up the next generation of Avengers together. That is awesome. It really carried forward the vibe of their relationship in Winter Soldier I thought.
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super_tricie341super_tricie341 on May 10th, 2015 09:29 pm (UTC)
Yesssssss, even though the romance subplot was Bruce/Nat, I came away still shipping Steve/Nat even harder than before. They are THE BEST PARTNERS in the field and I wanted to die when he gave her his shield to use. And then that conversation where Nat suggests they go down with the ship (asteroid???) as it were was asdflkasdlkasdf;l MY FEEEEEEELS. That moment was the most Nat moment in the movie considering the characterization fail that was the rest of the movie.
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Katherine Joy Summers: D.C.stars_inthe_sky on May 4th, 2015 05:15 pm (UTC)
SO ULTRON.

I personally came away rather disappointed—Natasha's one of my favorite characters, and I felt like she was poorly written (not just for ship-related reasons), and a lot of the explainy bits and stuff setting up for later movies felt incoherent to me, even knowing a crazy-fandom-level amount of context for them. I also missed the longer shots of fight scenes in other movies—this one seemed to have much quicker cuts, which made it harder to enjoy individual fighting styles and to get a sense of how all the pieces fit together.

But the Whedon banter was of course great, and I did love the team dynamics—combining the power of Thor's hammer and Steve's shield was brilliant, and we did get a few great bits of all of them interacting in comfortable ways. Clint was great—I've got mixed feelings about the use of his Ultimates family, but he definitely stole the show in places, and his little speech to Wanda in the final battle was fist-pumpingly good.

And the payoff with the Mjolnir gag was both surprising and great—I didn't expect it to be a thing after that "you're all not worthy" sequence, but following that up with the Vision was solid, and then the bit with Steve, Tony, and Thor at the end debating the elevator's worthiness was pretty cute.
endeni on May 4th, 2015 09:13 pm (UTC)
Yes, I feel your pain about Natasha.
Actually, if you haven't already you should check out this awesome tumblr post, it'll make you feel way better about Natasha's (and Bruce's) characterization. *g*

Edited at 2015-05-04 09:14 pm (UTC)
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blithersblithers on May 5th, 2015 01:21 am (UTC)
Ultron Isssues Fire Apology
Has anybody not seen this? Please tell me everybody has seen this.

endeni on May 5th, 2015 07:15 am (UTC)
Re: Ultron Isssues Fire Apology
I love it so much! *g*
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endeni on May 5th, 2015 02:40 pm (UTC)
I just collected a post with some Age of Ultron meta recs if you folks are interested. ;)
Katherine Joy Summersstars_inthe_sky on May 5th, 2015 03:04 pm (UTC)
Ooh, thanks! I've mostly been reading stuff on Tumblr, so I haven't seen a lot of these...
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blithersblithers on May 10th, 2015 10:19 pm (UTC)
Agent Carter season 2!
I'm so thrilled Agent Carter was renewed - I was thinking it might not have a second season at this point, so that was an actual, awesome surprise.

Things I want out of season two: more of Peggy's blunt force fighting style, more Howling Commandos (a bit of Gabe/Peggy, perhaps...?), some way to get Steve/Chris Evans into the show (a dream sequence? flashbacks? I DON'T CARE), more female friendships and more Jarvis - more of everything, basically. Oh, and a heist. I've been stuck on the idea of this show doing an Ocean's 11-style heist episode and I think you could do no wrong with the idea.
Katherine Joy Summersstars_inthe_sky on May 10th, 2015 10:29 pm (UTC)
Re: Agent Carter season 2!
PEGGY/GABE THO

Also, more Red Room y/y? I am obsessed with the idea of Peggy having to deal with a very young Natasha at some point...or at least someone like her...
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