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28 October 2014 @ 10:11 am
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Hi everyone! Before we get to the fun stuff, we have a piece of not-as-fun mod business to discuss.

The paid subscription for het_reccers ran out earlier this year, which means our tag limit has been reduced to 1000. Currently we have 2086 tags in use, thanks to our former status as a paid account. (Paid accounts can have up to 4000 tags.) This means that right now, while we haven’t lost any of our current tags, we also can’t add any new tags. That’s why you’ve seen some recent recs for new fandoms and pairings that weren’t tagged.

We have a couple of options:

1) Someone buys the community a paid subscription. This is in no way a requirement for us to continue to be a healthy, active community, but we wanted to put the option out there, because that was how this problem was solved the last time het_reccers reached its tag limit.

2) We change how we use our tags. Right now we’re thinking that we could delete all ship/pairing tags and just use fandom tags instead. For many fandoms this would continue to be a very simple way to still find the pairings you wanted. For some of the larger fandoms, this will mean a little more digging to find your ship of choice (right now some of our largest fandoms are Harry Potter with 162 posts, and Doctor Who with 124 posts, to give you an idea of scale), but it should still be a pretty workable option. The community currently has 543 fandom tags, in addition to a relatively small/stable number of admin tags (50, many of which are special reccer tags), which would give us room to continue to grow in the future.

And now we throw it open to you - thoughts, ideas? If we do need to prune our tags list, is anybody not okay with going fandom only, or does anybody have any alternate or better suggestions?
A.j.: readaj on October 28th, 2014 04:43 pm (UTC)
Would the memories still be updated/workable? Because if they're still fine and updated/used, the ship tags would be an easy axing, but keep them searchable somewhere.
Katherine Joy Summersstars_inthe_sky on October 28th, 2014 06:32 pm (UTC)
The memories haven't been updated in a few years (well before we got the keys to this van), so whatever does exist there is out-of-date. Do you know if there's a way to automate making posts memories somehow (and/or to do it retroactively)? I don't think manually categorizing everything (especially retroactively) is really feasible, but if there's a way to do it automatically, that would be great!
A.j.: readaj on October 29th, 2014 07:57 pm (UTC)
No, I'm pretty sure that there isn't an auto-logging of the backwards memories. I'd be willing to volunteer to chip away at some of that over time - it zens me out, weirdly - and maybe you could ask for some other volunteers too? Once it's up to-date it shouldn't be too hard to keep it up.
blithersblithers on November 1st, 2014 02:17 pm (UTC)
Heyyyyy. :D I wanted to let you know that stars and I have been chatting about memories and trying to figure out a plan for this - and we'll hopefully get in touch with you soon, with a better idea of what we want to do.

Also, that we really, REALLY appreciate your offer! :D We do need some time to get our ducks in a row, but I didn't want to leave this comment hanging any longer until then...
blithers: blithersblithers on November 4th, 2014 07:43 pm (UTC)
Just sent you an LJ message!
All the letters I can writewendelah1 on October 28th, 2014 05:25 pm (UTC)
I was one of the people who bought this community paid time the last time it ran out (I did that for the DW comm, as well). However, I would be fine with changing to fandom-only tags. Another possibility would be to switch to fandom-only tags for all of the smaller fandoms. Would that help at all?
blithersblithers on October 28th, 2014 10:48 pm (UTC)
We were lucky enough to have a generous anon gift the community with another paid year this time as well, so we don't quite have to figure this problem out yet!

One thing stars_inthe_sky and I have been talking about is that any solution that is based on the relative size of a fandom or ship might not be workable in the long term, due to needing to monitor the fandom tag sizes and then potentially needing to backtag based on fandom growth/size changes? Unless there's a way to manage things like that automatically that I'm not aware of, I'm not sure keeping ship tags only for large fandoms would work in the long term, unfortunately.

Edited at 2014-10-28 11:01 pm (UTC)
Stephanie: Multishipperflareoninsanity on October 28th, 2014 07:23 pm (UTC)
What if you delete the fandom tags instead? I would prefer to have the pairing tags stay - it's so much easier to find stuff that way. I know it would only take away 531 tags, but it should work until someone pays for the paid subscription. Because if you cut down to fandom tags, it deletes 1497 tags (that is a lot of ships) unless someone can work on the Memories as aj suggested.

But I also like wendelah1's suggestion in having cut down fandom tags for the smaller fandoms, but keep the bigger fandoms just ship tags maybe? I don't know how that will look/work.
blithersblithers on October 28th, 2014 10:52 pm (UTC)
As it turns out, a generous anon gifted us with a paid account for another year, so we are safe for a while longer!

When we were trying to think of a workable solution if we did need to prune the number of tags (and we might still need to at some point in the future!), both stars_inthe_sky and my own first inclination was to keep the ship tags instead of the fandom tags (we are definitely a ship-focused community). Unfortunately, that decision would have still left us with 1400-ish ship tags, which would have *still* been over the 1000 tag limit. So it turned out to be an unworkable solution once we looked at the numbers.

It would be nice to get memories working again, to help provide another way of browsing the community if we do still have exist as a basic account at some point in the future. If you or anybody else has an idea if it's possible to automatically making our backlog of posts memories, let us know!
louisedennis: writinglouisedennis on October 28th, 2014 07:57 pm (UTC)
I'd be inclined to go with the fandom tags - that gives the community plenty of room to grow. 162 isn't that many posts to look through given the pairings all appear in the headers.
blithersblithers on October 28th, 2014 10:59 pm (UTC)
Fortunately, an awesome anonymous member of the community gifted the comm with a paid account for the next year, so all of our tags are staying put for the next year at least, whew! :) But if we ever do end up needing to prune our tag list back, it's very good to know that by fandom would be a viable option. Thanks!
jaq_of_spadesjaq_of_spades on October 28th, 2014 08:51 pm (UTC)
The ship tags are one of my favourite things about hetreccers, because if you happen to ship the minority ship in a fandom, it's nice to be able to avoid the 64 million other stories that aren't about your ship when you go looking for something. I've never maintained a community but I would imagine that having a large amount of tags available has to be the best case scenario - it's one of those things that you'll always need more than you'd expect. What's the cost involved in a paid community site? I'd probably be happy to donate at least a proportion of it.
blithersblithers on October 28th, 2014 11:10 pm (UTC)
Hey Jaq! I know exactly what you mean - the small ship tags (and the tags for smaller fandoms with only a rec or two) are some of my favorite things about het_reccers as well, because it brings an equal amount of visibility to small fandoms/ships as the big ones.

But it does look like some generous members of our community have donated paid account time, so we are up and running again for the time being! (Until 2016 it looks like right now!!) If you do want to contribute, though, any time you buy will be added to the end of what has been already purchased (so buying paid account time extends the current expiration date). Here's the link to buy paid time for the comm - looks like it's $5 for 2 months, $15 for 6 months, and $25 for a year. It is in no way an obligation, but it is appreciated and definitely (obviously) utilized!